Queer & Intersexed - Where are they welcome? Where should they be welcome?

topic posted Sun, February 4, 2007 - 5:57 PM by  Max
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I recently saw a flyer for an event, a fundraiser & was curious about
it. Based on the flyer, I was not certain who is or is not welcome.

Which got me to thinking further on this issue, as it pertains to me
(and people like me). You see, I am Intersexed. Approximately 1% of
the population is intersexed (source: ISNA website). So we are in
fact out there in far more numbers than many folks realise.

I know that the society I live in is a Gendered society. I had to
select a gender to have a Yahoo email address. But they only offered
male or female. I am neither.

I am not a man, I am not a woman, I am not Trans. I am Intersexed.
I am genetically intersexed. Furthermore, I as identify as an
intersexed person. I see my orientation as Queer. Indeed, I don't
actually see it as possible for me to be homosexual, hetrosexual or
bisexual.

There are Men's Events. Women's events. Trans events. I am none of
these things. I don't want to be a man. I don't want to be a woman.
I don't want to Transition. I am happy as I am. Both male and female.

I respect that different spaces & different parties have different
rules. And I do not want to make anyone else uncomfortable.

So.. where do I fit? Where do I belong. Where would I be imposing?


I thank you all in advance for your thoughts or input.

Max
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  • thanks for your posting, i really appreciated it--the honesty and the rawness. I think it's a very real issue.

    I wonder....if intersexed folks- and queer folks on their behalf too?- need to begin to demand more acknowledgement? i live in the kootenays, and we have a large population of TRans here, simply b/c there is an open and supportive community. (aspects of it, at least). Through a larger community and outreach, what was once foreign and alarming to a lot of straight-edgers is slowly shifting. But it took this amazing base queer community and a lot of folks willing to out themselves, not go stealth...so i'm not sure about the safety or ramifications in your area.

    In any case, many of us who work in schools and with the public have shifted *our* gender paradigms to include the "third" gender in all we do now, surveys, evaluations, etc. But yeah, i see the gap for intersexed...it's just swept under Trans umbrella, or queer umbrella untidily and inappropriately. Do you see this as a result of silence and stigma?

    So, what about contacting yahoo and educating them on the fact that Intersexed is just as viable an option as M or F or T? or rallying us to do the same?

    how solid is your community support? Is there (please forgive my ignorance) an Intersex group, or a community in your hometown you can find strength with?

    i look forward to hearnnig from you.

    Peace,

    jamie

    • Hi Jamie,

      Thanks for your input. I live in SF. Ihave been in the local SM scene for several years. However, I am still new to exploring it as an intersexed person. There is a substantial Trans Community here. And the Intersexed Society of North America is based here. tho they seem to be focused on kink/socializing issues.

      Generallly speaking, I feel reasonably safe being an out & open intersexed person. I cross-postted my thoughts above to several groups & generally got very positive & encouraging responses.

      I do see Intersexed as something other than Trans. I feel intesexed has been viewed often by the medical community as something to be fixed and to hide. It's a challange to orthodoxy, so like so many other challenges that do not fit in a neat lil package, it's presence has been repressed.

      It's an interesting idea about contacting yahoo to urge an additionalo gender option. However, I epxt it would fall on deaf ears. Yahoo is looking for orthodoxy. At this time it's more of a money maker. At least that's my view.

      I'm not sure just what the local community thinks about Intersexed folks. Some will welcome them as other outcasts & gender outlaws. Others, I suspect will resent an intrusion into space they think of as thier own. Some will fear intersex dilutes the focus they have on whatver the issue might be. It's just something for me & others like me to explore.

      Max
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    Max:

    I need not tell you that we are all ignorant of many things, specially if it something that has been hidden from the public by the powers that be. Intersexed is one of those hidden truths. I have heard that the medical establishment refers to intersexed as a "medical condition," and has often performed surgery to "correct" the "condition." These procedures being performed on infants and children with no consent of the individuals subjected to the knife and often no true informed consent provided by the parents. These so called corrective surgeries I'm told only result in butchering that which is natural and leading to years if not a life time of pain and suffering. Thank you for bringing this important issue to the attention of this Tribe. Many of us know that gender is something more fluid than the simplistic male/female binary system, as is sexual orientation and these two aspects of our personalities are not the same. I suspect that you would be welcome as intersexed at most if not all events sponsored by the Center for Sex and Culture.

    Good luck to you,

    EG
    • Heh, I'm pretty sure I have an open invite to most S & C events. I have known Carol & Robert for over 10 years. ANd I have helped out with various things in the past.. tho it was before S & C got a space.

      As for myself, never had an issue with doctors.. expect maybe when I was 17 & got a sperm count done (due to having very small balls). I remember it took them FOREVER to give me the results... more than 2 months. They said they were checking my hormone levels & waiting for lab results. I now believe they may have discovered I was intersexed & did not know how to tell me. So they punted the ball. I recall the doctor, when I finally got ahold of him was very uncomfortable on the phone with me. Which, in retrospect is odd. Telling a patient they are sterile not not be that new or odd for a urologist.. I mean, that's why they have the test, right?

      Oh well.. I'll never know for sure what happened there. I do know that the first time I read of intersexed, I thought it sounded like me. I strongly suspected for most of my adult life. Then, a bit over a year ago, I had some tests done to know for sure.

      Now I know. And I am happier for knowing.

      Max
  • I'm pleased to report..

    Last night I went to an Exiles program. Everyone I interacted with was very nice & welcoming. There were a few curious looks. And a couple of folks touched base with me, to get a better understanding. But I had a nice time. and I'm glad I went.

    So I would encourage any folks out there, who are intsexed & not sure where they might fit it.. if you have an interest in Kink, check out The Exiles.

    Max

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